Catherine (a cohost here on Sozo Talk Radio) and I, Daniel, sat down to discuss the importance and role of dreams and to share a few prophetic dreams with you. Catherine is a teacher and laid out some great wisdom regarding dreams in the beginning of this episode. This is not for the fast food spiritual junkies. We pray you enjoy spending some time with us on this most important and fun topic.
Job 33:14-18 New Living Translation (NLT)
14 For God speaks again and again, though people do not recognize it. 15 He speaks in dreams, in visions of the night, when deep sleep falls on people as they lie in their beds. 16 He whispers in their ears and terrifies them with warnings. 17 He makes them turn from doing wrong; he keeps them from pride. 18 He protects them from the grave, from crossing over the river of death.
Below is the Scripture that Catherine felt led to share regarding her profound dream she shared:
1 Peter 5 (TPT)
5 Now, I encourage you as an elder, an eyewitness of the sufferings of Christ, and one who shares in the glory that is about to be unveiled. I urge my fellow elders among you 2 to be compassionate shepherds who tenderly care for God’s flock and who feed them well, for you have the responsibility to guide, protect, and oversee. Consider it a joyous pleasure and not merely a religious duty. Lead from the heart under God’s leadership—not as a way to gain finances dishonestly but as a way to eagerly and cheerfully serve. 3 Don’t be controlling tyrants[c but lead others by your beautiful examples to the flock.
Her dream she shares is not to be missed and has such a vital message for the Next Great Awakening! Stay tuned and Subscribe for more on Dreams and Visions!
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This all began because I wanted to marinate my mind more in the Scriptures and invite others into the journey of ever deepening friendship with God and with each other. As you will discover in this episode, there isn’t much of a difference.
Note on Elohim: Plural form of God. Whenever we read “God” in Scriptures it refers to Elohim – a plurality of God who is One.
I propose a real viable plan for World Peace! Flood the World With Forgiveness! Much can be learned from the Reconciliation Courts in South Africa post Apartheid. Many such stories in this conversation.
Interview With Brian Zahnd
Brian Zhand is a full time pastor, author, and would be mountaineer and is the founder and lead pastor of Word of Life Church, a non-denominational Christian congregation in Saint Joseph, Missouri. Brian has authored several books, including: Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God, Water to Wine, A Farewell To Mars, Beauty Will Save the World, and Unconditional?: The Call of Jesus to Radical Forgiveness and, most recently, Postcards From Babylon.
The Call of Jesus to Radical Forgiveness
What is one of the most moving examples of forgiveness you have encountered?
One of the phrases that most stood out to me in this book Unconditional was that Jesus and the apostles were focused on us becoming Christian, not becoming a Christian.
How do we become Christian? To become a true follower of the Way of Jesus?
How would you define forgiveness? What does it even mean? What is Jesus asking us to do to forgive 70 x 7?
I loved all the examples you shared from more recent history:
Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu found a way to live out the Lords Prayer on a national level. Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. Page 81
Reminds me of the Scripture, “He who conceals his transgressions will not prosper, But he who confesses and forsakes them will find compassion..” Proverbs 28:13 NASB
Pope John Paul forgiving the man who shot him and visiting his brother in prison.
The Amish of Nickel Mines visiting the wife of the murderer offering comfort.
Corrie Ten Boom facing one of her captors from the concentration camp in Ravensbruck. She was in Munich Germany sharing a message about forgiveness and one of the cruelest guards from the camp came forward after her talk. Read Page 32
How do we teach our children to turn the other cheek?
I have a friend Bill Vanderbush who wrote a book called Reckless Grace (Check out that Interview HERE) based primarily on a verse you highlighted in the final pages of Unconditional:
“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I am sending you.” Then he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 2If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven. If you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” John 20:21-23 NLT
Welcome to this new Bible study with Daniel Lovett. Download the podcast and listen at your convenience.
We will be studying the Gospel of John out of the Passion Translation. I have interviewed Brian Simmons on Sozo Talk Radio! It is one of the episodes I encourage people to listen to more than most. Why? Because the Bible is an important part of our spiritual journey. The Bible is an introduction into this wonderful relationship we can enjoy with God. It points to Jesus.
I am reminded of the Scripture where it says, “Christ, who is your life…”
“Therefore, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us. Because of our faith, Christ has brought us into this place of undeserved privilege where we now stand, and we confidently and joyfully look forward to sharing God’s glory.”
“We can rejoice, too, when we run into problems and trials, for we know that they help us develop endurance. And endurance develops strength of character, and character strengthens our confident hope of salvation. 5And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because he has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love.”
Todd White & Lifestyle Christianity
Below is a documentary movie about Todd White and Lifestyle Christianity:
Todd White was a big inspiration to Randy’s transformation. It began with a challenge Jesus gave him to share “Jesus loves you” with a stranger everyday. At first this seemed incredibly awkward but his commitment soon grew to praying with people at least once a week. Soon it grew to become a lifestyle.
Randy shares the four pillars of this lifestyle:
“Presence, Power, Truth, & Love”
Randy has also been influenced by Todd White’s mentor Dan Mohler. Below is a video hosted by Lifestyle Christianity on Youtube:
Dan Mohler often teaches about living out of our identity in Christ and Christ being formed in you as we radically love others. Randy and I discussed some of his messages about not succumbing to the black hole of self pity. Randy emphasizes that it is okay to grieve the losses and wounds that were never supposed to happen, but also to have the maturity to not wallow in it. We must learn to forgive what needs forgiving and move on into victory!
There were so many other amazing things that Randy and I discuss including witnessing miracles and healings. Tell me what you think of this interview and I invite you to peruse some of the other interviews on this website.
“The cross is not what God inflicts upon Christ in order to forgive. The cross is what God endures in Christ as he forgives.”
Remarkable, Isn’t it? This rings true for me yet I realize it challenges the way some have interpreted the meaning of the cross. I think this is because many have confused ideas about the meaning of the cross. Many of our ideas are based on assumptions and false teaching and not on a full understanding of how the whole of Scripture reveal and interpret the meaning of Christ’s sacrifice.
Instead of pretending that this confusion about the cross isn’t a theologically widespread pandemic I am going to be as honest as I can about the problem. To the best of my knowledge, a large percentage of Western Christianity for the past 500 years has been infected. Calvin was trained as a lawyer in the 1500’s and at the age of twenty seven invented a particular way of interpreting the cross which has been dubbed penal substitution atonement theory. There are famous preachers today who have large influential ministries who preach Calvin’s ideas about the meaning of the cross.
What is God Like?
What God is like is one of the big questions that are raised when we look at what the cross means and what exactly happened and where the Father was and what his role in the whole affair was.
Of course to most of you this seems obvious, but this isn’t something I grew up with in the Christian church. In my mind, Jesus was different and separate from the Father.
God the Father seemed like an impossible to please Monster that Jesus came to broker a deal with on behalf of humanity. The idea is that Jesus came to change God’s mind about us – that Jesus came to pay off this angry God with the blood sacrifice that this “God of wrath” demanded. This was the profound lie I absorbed by osmosis growing up in the Western Christian church. In fact this heresy has a name: Penal Substitution Atonement Theory.
Penal Substitution Atonement Theory
Unfortunately this heretical lie is preached by well meaning but confused pastors all over America. Many pastors might even hear the challenge to this heresy and double down with the lie, further entrenching people in confusion and fear. I have seen this happen first hand!
Those within the movement to expose the problems of Penal Substitutionary Atonement Theory have been very gentle, kind, and sympathetic to its adherents. C. Baxter Kruger in his thesis God in the Hands of Angry Sinners quotes George MacDonald:
“Good souls many will one day be horrified at the things they now believe of God.”
“There’s a lot of foolishness in that idea that we call penal substitutionary atonement. The idea that God was abandoning or punishing his own Son in order to pay off his anger. That is absolute hogwash and the biggest heresy of the western world. It’s not biblical. The early church never believed the ridiculous idea that Jesus was saving us from God. This idea has nothing to do with the ancient faith of the early church fathers. Most importantly this idea does injustice to the Trinity…”
Below is a more in depth presentation of the topic:
Monster God Debate
Brian and I discuss Penal Substitution and Zahnds role in exposing what John Crowder has, in my opinion, quite rightly dubbed a heresy. He has went head to head with Dr. Michael Brown over this issue in a debate entitled Monster God Debate.
Dr. Michael Brown seems to have built much of his ministry around debates and being the guy who “answers all your questions”. I’m sure he has a great deal of good things to say in general, but, in my opinion, his contribution to the content of this Monster debate, which I’m safe to assume he perpetrated, is not among them.
Brian Zahnd is a full time pastor, author, and would be mountaineer. He is the founder and lead pastor of Word of Life Church, a non-denominational Christian congregation in Saint Joseph, Missouri. Brian is also the author of several books, including, Sinners in the Hands of a Loving God, Water to Wine, A Farewell To Mars, Beauty Will Save the World, and Unconditional?: The Call of Jesus to Radical Forgiveness and most recently, Postcards From Babylon.
Jesus is what God has to Say
God is like Jesus. Of course to many of you this seems obvious, but this isn’t something I grew up with. In my mind, Jesus was different and separate from the Father.
God seemed like an impossible to please Monster that Jesus came to broker a deal with on behalf of humanity. The idea is that Jesus came to change God’s mind about us – that Jesus came to pay off this angry God with the blood sacrifice that this God of wrath demanded. This was the profound lie I absorbed by osmosis growing up in the Western Christian church. In fact this heresy has a name: Penal Substitution Atonement Theory.
This will be the primary subject of the next installment of this conversation so subscribe and stay tuned!
Brian Zahnd Interview Show Notes:
3:00 Brian Zahnd discussing his latest book postcards from Babylon.
4:30 Discussing Farewell to Mars and Obama
8:14 Open Table Conference & Water to Wine Conference.
10:30 Brian Zahnd and I discuss Brad Jersak’s book “A More Christlike God” which Brian wrote the forward to. For my Interview with Brad Jersak check out: Brad Jersak, A More Christlike God.
11:55 “Jesus is what God has to say. God is Like Jesus, God has always been like Jesus. God has never not been like Jesus.”
13:20 Hell (actually Gehena) and what Jesus meant by it.
19:20 Restorative Judgement and Justice and properly understanding the Wrath of God.
28:00 God is Love in whom we live and move and have our being.
30:52 The Narrow Way that leads to life – love your enemy.
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John MacMurray, A Spiritual Evolution
Catherine and I will be sharing music at John MacMurray’s Open Table Conference June 7-9 2019 in Portland, OR! You can check out our music at www.reflectworship.com
Open Table Conference
For several years now John MacMurray, Wm Paul Young, and C. Baxter Kruger have been hosting the Open Table Conference (www.opentableconference.com). They discuss radical orthodox happy theology, which is basically what his book A Spiritual Evolution is all about.
I say “radical” because this means “roots”. MacMurray, Baxter, and Young are returning to the glorious roots of the Christian faith. Besides good and happy theology is rad dude!
I say “orthodox” because this means conforming to established doctrine. Doctrine is another word for the solid teachings of Jesus Christ Himself.
I say “happy theology” because this is God we are talking about. Can you imagine a more joyful Being in all the universes than God? He is the very definition of pure, exquisite, ‘bursting at the seams’, joy inexpressible and FULL of glory!
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When John was a young man his father was dying of cancer. Someone gave his father the book Life After Life by Raymond Moody (Life After Life is a 1975 book written by psychiatrist Raymond Moody. It is a report on a qualitative study in which Moody interviewed 150 people who had undergone near-death experiences.)
As an agnostic young man, John read the book in one night. He thought, “If this is true, then this is the biggest news ever!” It propelled him on a journey of faith and on the path to discovering Jesus for himself.
John is now pastoring Gateway church in Austin Texas and has written several books about faith and finally a book about the subject that started it all for him – a book about Near Death Experiences called Imagine Heaven. Connect with John Here: http://www.johnburkeonline.com/
John has researched around a thousand NDE’s. I too have researched a plethora of accounts myself. There wasn’t hardly a story he mentioned in the book that I wasn’t already very familiar with.
With SO much research sometimes the hardest thing is knowing where to start? What are the most important lessons we can learn from Near Death Experiences?
Well, that is something that I highlighted in my interview with Howard Storm and something I tried to highlight in my conversation with John as well. It begins with understanding that God is love. Unconditional infinite love. What God wants from his children is for us to show that love and share his love with others.
John Burke begins his book with the story of George Ritchie:
George Richie encountered an astonishing love. A love beyond his wildest imagination in the brilliant person of Jesus Christ. Jesus asked him, “What have you done with your life to show me?”
The question, like everything else proceeding from Him, had to do with love. How much have you loved with your life? Have you loved others as I am loving you? Totally? Unconditionally?”
George wanted to justify himself and said, “I had not known love like this was possible. Someone should have told me.”
“I did tell you”, Jesus responded.
But how? How could he have told me and I not not have heard?
“I told you by the life I lived. I told you by the death I died. And, if you keep your eyes on me, you will see more.”
Return from Tomorrow, George Ritchie
Howard Storm was told by Jesus, “Love the person that you are with.”
Enjoy this conversation with Andre Rabe about his Near Death Experience (NDE) where he encounters Jesus. We also discuss some happy theology.
Andre’s Near Death Experience
Andre encountered Jesus at the age of eight after being stung by a scorpion that has been known to cause death in children. Jesus appeared to him holding out both hands. He was inviting Andre to come home with one hand and in the other, the gift of healing.
Andre chose to stay and was miraculously and instantly healed.
Could it be that we have been wrong all along when we say “God is in control”? What if God just simply doesn’t do “control”? What if free will actually matters? Isn’t it liberating to think that God has entrusted us all with the ability to create and make what we will of this world and shape our own reality and destiny? What will you do with the infinite possiblities that lie before you?
Andre and I discuss how the God of Jesus is the one who continually opens up possibilities for us to walk in. Possibility cannot coexist with certainty. Certainty does indeed offer people a sense of security but often in the form of a prison. Prisons provide security don’t they?
Enjoy this episode where Andre and I discuss these topics and questions and more.
If you are interested in Near Death Experiences, I have interviewed several others which you can peruse in the Archives.
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